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Charles Yang's avatar

There's an interesting sociology paper (Peterson and Panofsky, 2020) that looks at the "metascience movement" (rather than the field of metascience) as a social movement of moral entrepeneurs, crystallizing a sense of emergency (and resultant solutions). Also includes an interesting ethnography read-out of panel discussions from a metascience conference . Not sure if this was intentional, but one section in this paper is titled 'The fragile unity of metascience", similar to this post!

https://osf.io/preprints/socarxiv/4dsqa/

Tim Hwang's avatar

I hadn't seen this one. Thanks for passing it along!

Andrew's avatar

Have you read "Science-Mart" by Mirowski? It's an interesting study / historiography of funding policy in the US for the last 100 years, and of the idea of measuring output

Tim Hwang's avatar

I haven't. Been thinking a lot about the question of whether or not an agenda for better science *needs* the state - so this is super relevant. Thanks for passing it along!

Mark King's avatar

I suspect that some of the social sciences are not included in your definition of science because in some cases RCTs are impossible, however my comment was about the need to embrace other skills - philosophical, political, aesthetic. In universities here (Australia) there has been a continuing trend over several decades to devalue learning in these areas in favour of technology and engineering. Turning this around is a difficult ask.

Tim Hwang's avatar

It's true: for the purposes of this piece, the social sciences aren't so much my focus.

I do think there are hawks in metascience circles that would argue (or implicitly anticipate) that Rule by RCT should broadly apply and be used to further the retreat of the social sciences. I'm not one of them, and it's a topic I hope to return to in a future post.