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This is a great piece, thanks for writing it up. I've been writing out some similar ideas in parallel, also spurred on by the Mechanize essay.*

I really like the Fast Fourier Transform algorithm example, that was new to me. I also overall agree that there is a greater amount of agency to be exerted, due to the fact that as technological development accelerates and more changes are compressed in a smaller number of years, then even seemingly minor delays or speed-ups (of 'just' a few years in either directions) can start exerting very significant effects on welfare or overall trajectory safety.

Still, I think even the account here, while directionally correct, still overstates the degree of determinism in historical tech development, and understates the contingency (though granted technological contingency does not necessarily equate to easy technological choice). This is not a conclusion I initially expected to reach since I'm quite tech determinist by disposition myself. But some points that contribute to this are:

- I think you (still) overstate the case for technological convergence across premodern societies, as I'll show with a review of around 90 counterexamples.

-in particular, re. 'societies that have been cut off from technological progress...have ways of life similar to those of every other technologically primitive society around the world, be it contemporary or ancient' -- It was generally my understanding that contemporary primitive societies are not considered to provide a representative guide to the state of other societies in ancient times.

- One important nuance to tech tree-like arguments is that--crucially, unlike actual trees, and unlike evolutionary family trees or the tree of organic life, the 'tree' of cultural and technological artefacts allows (and in fact often depends) on branches not just branching outwards but fusing and recombining with one another (cf. the 'innovation as recombination' perspective in https://mattsclancy.substack.com/p/innovation-as-combination and https://www.newthingsunderthesun.com/pub/3wpc3plu#the-landscape-of-technological-possibility ]. Importantly, given the degree and extent to which even supposedly revolutionary technologies often depended on the recombination of existing elements (see Basalla, The Evolution of Technology, https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/evolution-of-technology/72D7695EE9A2BAFB75EFE648D4222A03 ), this suggests that the 'narrowing' and tech sequencing constraints of the tech tree will only really bite at a low level of technological invention (i.e. when you're close to the trunk, and there are only very few branches that might recombine). In other words, if you are the Neo-Assyrian Empire, you can't hope to create rifles without first mastering metallurgy. But precisely when you are a modern state, you have a far larger bucket and menu of existing branches to rework and apply to solving a particular problem. And so you can come up with very different technological solutions and doctrines (e.g. you can achieve forms of 'solar power' both by running a tech tree through semiconductors ->photovoltaic cells->solar cells.... or by running it through wind turbines + solid lightweight construction materials = solar updraft tower https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_updraft_tower . To be sure, they aren't equivalent in their performance envelopes (SUTs are much more land-intensive). Neither do they necessarily offer the same payoff gradient across the tech tray, but there's still a case in point of how tech-tree like arguments should in fact lean towards *greater freedom* the further along you get.

- I think a few challenge with Bryan Potter's otherwis interesting analysis is that it doesn't imho sufficiently account for how at least some apparent cases of simultaneous invention (eg lightbulbs) seem like they're much better described as serendipitous final simultaneous success by teams working independently, but at the head of sustained effort for many years by many inventors towards a publicly known goalpost. That does not mean that the original path was predetermined, just that, once the goalpost was established, many inventors would be incentivized to pursue it. So this at best applies to things and ideas that are known in advance to be huge, and that still leaves out a very important class of technologies that are only known ex post to be useful [although I'll grant that A[G]I is currently perceived as such a shared goal]

- Any argument that depends on simultaneous independent invention, should also reckon with the exact inverse phenomenon of collectively unusually delayed inventions (or ideas), which came far past the time by which the technological pre-requisites seemed to obtain (e.g. balloons, barbed wire, and another 20 or so cases I'll survey)

- you're arguably still understating the track record of (horizontal) nuclear restraint: as I discuss in my recent book**:

> Based on IAEA databases, there have historically been 74 states that decided to build or use nuclear reactors. Of these, 69 have at some time been considered potentially able to pursue nuclear weapons. Of these, 10 states went nuclear, 7 ran but abandoned a nuclear weapons programme, and for 14–23 [other] states evidence exists of a considered decision not to use their infrastructure to pursue nuclear weapons.

Importantly, many of the cases of abandonment of development actually shows that nuclear weapons are far from usually perceived as an 'irreplaceable' technology. E.g. Nasser abandoned Egypt's nuclear program and joined the nonproliferation regime, solely because he calculated he could embarrass Israel that way ( https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/10736700601071637 ); in 1965, Sweden came within six months of a working bomb https://teknikhistoria.nyteknik.se/langlasning/den-svenska-atombomben/144778 before autonomously deciding to abandon the project; India fought a war with China in 1962; yet when China went nuclear in 1964, India did not initiate a crash nuclear program; rather, it just kicked the program into committees, and put it on a backburner, with an aim to eventually, slowly develop a nuclear *breakout capability*. The final decision by Indira Gandhi to go nuclear likely had more to do with a desire to distract from domestic labour union strikes ( https://www.jstor.org/stable/2539273 )... etc.

- 'If we had somehow delayed the Industrial Revolution by a century out of fear of change, that plausibly would have been the greatest mistake we’d ever made.' -- while I share your general intuition here, I do think there are a few important differences here in the sense that (i) I don't think anyone is talking about delaying AI (or, full automation) by an entire century, and (ii) it is not implausible to me that the Industrial Revolution took a lot of the initial low-hanging fruit in terms of childhood mortality, measles, polio, etc., and that, large though the costs of cancer, heart disease, obesity, etc. are, solving them by themselves would not add equivalently many QALY per person as that initial jump did, and so the upside is just a little bit more capped. (The counter case here, of course, is if you start to assume extremely transformative consequences from AI in terms of either life extension or something-something uploading). That doesn't mean that it's therefore acceptable or fine or costless to accept modest delays on full automation; but my point is simply: we're clearly just bargaining over the 'price' in this case, and there is, presumably, a break-even point on the 'cost-benefits of moderate delay' function, where that strategy is not just unreasonable, but the obvious better option. I'm not strongly wedded to this argument, but I do think it is a relevant nuance.

- As an aside; generally, there is a whole family of claims that have been called technological determinism (see Dafoe at https://www.jstor.org/stable/43671266 ), and of these, I tend to only find Dafoe's socio-technical selectionism very plausible. That tends to work only on longer timeframes and/or in very competitive environments where there's also a lot of strategic clarity over what is the usefulness of different technological steps. And so I think it supports a much weaker form of pressure or convergence (at least than entertained by Mechanize).

Anyway, some assorted thoughts, that I'll hopefully get to write about in detail more as well. For now -- thanks for writing this up, and I hope you get a ton of submissions for our Launch Sequence!

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* see the list of questions in https://criticalmaas.substack.com/i/186864865/open-questions-about-the-past-of-technology-and-the-future-of-ai - I'll hopefully get to work some of this out more in the coming months.

** https://academic.oup.com/book/61416/chapter/533870075

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